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Is AI going to ruin the economy/world slightly?
Topic Started: Jun 10 2016, 08:07 PM (777 Views)
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I don't mean in a SKYNET WILL KILL US ALL kind of way but in reference to things such as cars that drive themselves.

That's milliona of people without jobs when that's perfected, why hire a truck driver who might get lazy and take forever or potentially sleep at the wheel when you can just get an AI that will only stop for fuel(however that will work)

Obviously plenty other options for AI, the only thing that will really be a solid source of jobs for humans for a good while is physical labour.


I wonder if this sort of AI is just something we want rather than something we need?
World is going to go to s*** if this keeps up, WALL-E is a very realistic future, sad that saying that isn't even a joke.
Kinda hope people successfully campaign against the extensive use of AI. Don't want my grand children going around everywhere in hover chairs because robots and whatnot do absolutely everything for them needlessly.

How we function as a species should be more important than how much money we can make from ourselves...are companies going to see that however...
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Why would we put AI on vehicles? That sounds incredibly dangerous. What if the AI malfunctions and messes up the train, or car, or bus, with people inside?
AI and robots aren't going to replace mankind anytime soon, Steve.

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Trains and planes already drive themselves but still need people to make sure nothing goes wrong.

That being said, I think it's an inevitability that better robotics and a.i will mean less employment. I think what we should be doing is taking the stigma away from being unemployed. Because at some point most jobs will be done by robots.


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Jun 10 2016, 08:12 PM
Why would we put AI on vehicles? That sounds incredibly dangerous. What if the AI malfunctions and messes up the train, or car, or bus, with people inside?
AI and robots aren't going to replace mankind anytime soon, Steve.

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I hope.
We already are starting to do it and it's been quite successful. They'd probably make less mistakes than a person really just if they did make a mistake they'd not be quite as good at correcting it.

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I think what we should be doing is taking the stigma away from being unemployed. Because at some point most jobs will be done by robots.


Yeah but where do we go from there?
As it stands now we have the resources and manpower to have everyone getting all they need it's just distributed very very poorly. We should unify the world instead of this I think.
With AI in control of so much and less and less people needing jobs we're bound to get lazier.

Average intelligence would probably go down a lot among other things, why bother going to university when you can be unemployed but still get everything easy?
The stigma against being unemployed keeps people interested, that and the need for money.
We'd be in a right sorry state in a future like this, physically and mentally.

Of course there would be a minority that do keep fit and do want to learn but most people would probably just go for the easy life. Similar to the consumption of fast food, why cook if you don't have to?


On the bright side people would probably be too fat and lazy to fight wars, though, machines/robots could do it for them if it mattered to anyone.
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No, not really. I don't think so. AI would only effect the labour market and thats all. But, that isn't much of an issue. Furthermore, currently there are investments for AI only in the domains of routine mundane tasks and complex tasks/calculations.
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I can see it getting smart enough to take over jobs in services. Call centres and that sort of thing.


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Jun 10 2016, 09:30 PM
No, not really. I don't think so. AI would only effect the labour market and thats all. But, that isn't much of an issue. Furthermore, currently there are investments for AI only in the domains of routine mundane tasks and complex tasks/calculations.
Yeah but that's just right now, if there's a way to make things easier we'll make it.


It's kind of worrying really, maybe we won't get WALL-E levels of lazy but if we become almost completely dependant on AI what happens when we ask it something it can't do?
Like a situation it's not prepared for arises and it can't help, we'd be utterly f***ed.
Say a meteor comes in and we need to get people to as safe a place as possible and all our AI controlled vehicles just don't get it.

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Human beings all being unemployed? Boy, I hope not. We don't need unemployment and all the time in the world.
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Right? People complain enough about immigrants taking all the jobs.


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I'm more worried about us becoming idiots and reckless lol. I think it's bound to happen. But yeah that would happen as well.
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@It's kind of worrying really, maybe we won't get WALL-E levels of lazy but if we become almost completely dependant on AI what happens when we ask it something it can't do?Like a situation it's not prepared for arises and it can't help, we'd be utterly f***ed. Say a meteor comes in and we need to get people to as safe a place as possible and all our AI controlled vehicles just don't get it.

You are assuming that everyone are gonna be of the attitude that, "Screw this, Why should I learn or do something when there is a machine that can do it a lot better than me". That's where you are wrong. The people who have that kind of attitude will be the only ones who will be "utterly f*****" in a situation that they are not prepared for or heavily depend on AI. The people who know how to work without the AI and who also know how to work with the AI will be the ones who are not "screwed over".

And do you know why in most fiction they show AI taking over most of the human jobs/roles and later show the consequences for it? It's because of people like you with the attitude that, "Screw this, Why should I learn or do something when there is a machine that can do it a lot better than me?" . It's because of that attitude that you let yourself become lazy in the first place. It has never been the AI/Machines fault. It's always the humans attitude to the problem.
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Jun 11 2016, 01:13 AM
You are assuming that everyone are gonna be of the attitude that, "Screw this, Why should I learn or do something when there is a machine that can do it a lot better than me". That's where you are wrong. The people who have that kind of attitude will be the only ones who will be "utterly f*****" in a situation that they are not prepared for or heavily depend on AI. The people who know how to work without the AI and who also know how to work with the AI will be the ones who are not "screwed over".

And do you know why in most fiction they show AI taking over most of the human jobs/roles and later show the consequences for it? It's because of people like you with the attitude that, "Screw this, Why should I learn or do something when there is a machine that can do it a lot better than me?" . It's because of that attitude that you let yourself become lazy in the first place. It has never been the AI/Machines fault. It's always the humans attitude to the problem.
You disagree that people would become lazy? They already do though just not in so large a scale.

Like I said, fast food. People's attitude towards it is a good indicator of how easily people can become lazy, plenty people live on it even though there are cheaper alternatives that taste just as good, it's faster and easier than cooking yourself.
Drive to work? Why bother when your car can do it for you? Have a nap.
Wiping your own a***? What are we, animals?


Of course people would get lazy, not literally everyone but if everyone had access to AI controlled machines that simplify everything, I need to see some good arguments for why people wouldn't use them.
We've been taking humans and effort out of the equation for decades, centuries even if you go as far back as utilizing horses/etc and the wheel.
Machines, the microwave, automatic cars, computers, calculators. Technology isn't going to stop unless we deliberately draw a line, a line where smart becomes stupid.


Also where did I say I would be like this...? I'm not basing this off what I'm like, mostly basing it off a lot of what a lot of the first world is like.
And I know human attitude is the problem, me acknowledging human attitude isn't the problem is it :p
That's basically why I made this topic to begin with, through fear we'll go too far because we probably will.
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It will totally put plenty of people out of a job, much like the stocking frame in the textile industry, powered looms, slaves in some cases, and I'm sure the internet is costing the mail sector some jobs right now. To say that this won't cost jobs would be naive, it's totally gonna do that.

But honestly with how people text and drive, and generally find themselves not paying attention I'm pretty sure the deaths prevented and limbs spared will outweigh the loss of jobs.


Also people have always searched for convenience, that's the driving force behind the adoption of thousands of inventions, like say, the wheel. Maybe it goes too far, but it was here since the first technology's were being developed, heck one could argue that's how we got the idea to read left to right instead of up to down today.

And by left to right as opposed to up to down I mean

from writing like this

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Obviously that isn't exactly how it goes but I don't know Sumarian script.

Honestly one could say the written language as it is today was developed in the pursuit of convenience
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@You disagree that people would become lazy? They already do though just not in so large a scale.

No. Like I said in my earlier post not all of them will become lazy.

@Like I said, fast food. People's attitude towards it is a good indicator of how easily people can become lazy, plenty people live on it even though there are cheaper alternatives that taste just as good, it's faster and easier than cooking yourself.
Drive to work? Why bother when your car can do it for you? Have a nap.
Wiping your own a***? What are we, animals?

Again that's your assumption, generalization and conclusion that, all of them would have that similar mentality and attitude. Have you ever thought that maybe there might be people who do use AI to drive them to work or wipe their a***, would also sometimes prefer to drive on their own for work, and wipe their own a*** without the AI help?

@Of course people would get lazy, not literally everyone but if everyone had access to AI controlled machines that simplify everything, I need to see some good arguments for why people wouldn't use them. We've been taking humans and effort out of the equation for decades, centuries even if you go as far back as utilizing horses/etc and the wheel. Machines, the microwave, automatic cars, computers, calculators. Technology isn't going to stop unless we deliberately draw a line, a line where smart becomes stupid.

Like I said in this post and my earlier post maybe some people sometimes want to do stuff on their own and sometimes they would like to take the help of the AI. Have you ever thought of that possibility?

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Yeah that pursuit has lead to many great things, virtually everything we have now even but there's definitely a point in the future where that is going to cross the line and have some serious downfalls.

I mean it probably already has, there's a lot of social issues these days in the first world due to people having their face in their phones constantly or being able to hide away at home on the internet and not deal with people................

Just things we have now are going to have long term consequences from overuse. That's an issue which has no real reason to go away, we're going to develop phones etc more and more to make them far easier to use.



What's it going to be like for instance when machines do almost all of our cooking and barely anyone knows how to cook anything any more?

We'll record s*** like that of course but generally the knowledge will fall out of public use, much like how the average city goer will have no idea how to build a fire or hunt for food now. "Where's the menu...?"

When we outsource core skills like that to AI what happens when they break?
It'd basically be a world full of complete idiots governed by a tiny amount of what today are regular people, if there jobs weren't replaceable that is.


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Like I said in this post and my earlier post maybe some people sometimes want to do stuff on their own and sometimes they would like to take the help of the AI. Have you ever thought of that possibility?


I have but what reason is there to assume they wouldn't be in the minority? People like the easy life because...well, it's easy. People take cars to work when they could walk because it's faster and easier.
It's only really poorer folk that would be free from this unless it spread over the whole world, since they wouldn't have access to the luxuries.
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